欢迎进来评论"PP","A.L"大比拼!!!

hehe 说一点不相干的闲话.
现代社会炒作是成功的重要手段, 纵然美酒不怕巷子深, 但是谎言重复一百遍就是真理. PP的拥护者当然不希望手头的收藏贬值, 所以PP在他们的支持下永远是第一!!!
前一阵PP到上海开精品展览, 我也去看了. 展览的标题是" 家族制表工艺..."云云.
不知道各位表迷是否知道, 现今世界上具有一定历史的手表品牌只有AP还在创始人家族的后代手中运作(AUDERMARS家族和PIGUET家族), 大量的一流品牌(BREGUET, BLANCPAIN,LANGE, GLASHUTTE...)都是死而复生, 现在被大集团拥有.
而PP呢, 它其实早已和创始人PATEK和PHILIPPE无关, 现在是STERN家族在经营; GP呢, 是SOWIND集团在经营, 老板是意大利人MACALUSO, SOWIND还推出了JEANRICHARD品牌...赫赫, 和历史上的JEANRICARD其实是无关的.
赫赫, 硕果仅存的AP, 戴着独立帽子的PP和GP, 管理着一大群名牌的SWATCH和RICHEMONT!
还有近十到二十年兴起的品牌, DANIEL ROTH, GERALD GENTA,ROGER DUBUIS... 创始人都已经离开了...
钟表的故事,永远是品牌的外衣, 技术的内在, 商业的本质... ... 无语!

I agree with you.

Among "Big Three" PP, VC and AP, only AP is still under the control of the original founding family. PP is STILL a family (Stern) owned company. VC is owned by Richemont.

In this single regard, AP has an edge against PP. But don't forget that the Stern family was a major Patek supplier (for dials) in the 30s when the Stern purchased PP from the founding family. The Stern family is not like any venture capitalists in the modern time. The Stern family brought the company out of the crisis and made it the most successful high-end watch manufacture of the world. They deserve!

AP is a great house. The target customer group of AP is, however, somewhat younger than that of Patek's. The luxury goods industry is sometimes more about tradition and conservative mentality. Naturally, Patek can more easily win the hearts of most wealthy conservative big customers. Through decades, Patek has won its first-class name. AP, while still a very good traditional family-owned company, its reputation, however, is always behind the bigger Swiss "brother" Patek.

Yes again, marketing is important. But everybody does it! Only the best one with HARD FACTS can win more potential market share! That's the reason why Patek has won such an excellent reputation in China in such a short time! VC and AP have been on the Chinese market for already so long, but when the KING came, they faded away. Yes, it's maybe marketing effect. But Patek does it the best and already for decades!

Sometimes I think if we see through everything, the world will become colorless and boring.

Let's have some dreams and let's work hard to fulfill our dreams. Whatever dreams we have, we are lucky!

I will never agree that Glashütte Original is a first-class brand, although they make good watches with reasonable price tags.

Thanks for Grisar's comments!
Dream is to be reached only through effort and beauty always fragile !
Watch is the beautiful dream with an infinite limit to everyone.
Go strech yourself and dream, dream, dream ... ... : )

Dream is to be reached only through effort and beauty always fragile !

Well said!

Glashutte Original may not be as luxurious as lange and PP. But i do think it a solid and fast growing brand with focus on both technique and watch design.

However GO is among the few houses with caliber of developing and manufacturing complete line of products/parts by themselves in house.

It's better than brand such as Ulysse Nardine. 95% of the UN products are equipped with ETA and though UN has done so far well on top line from Minute Repeat to Freak, it relies too much upon ETA on its main stream offerings !

奢侈品牌肯定要炒作品牌的历史文化，某些地方肯定都是春秋笔法的，咱们会心一笑就成，何必当真

朗格1 铂金月相太漂亮了

朗格,因为爱所以爱......

我选郎格

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超喜欢宝玑的古典美，说说与PP的比较

20万以内绝对上朗格，20万以上看情况

PP高端产品技术含量高，在这一点上强过Lange。而德国人的严谨谁都知道，Lange浴火重生初试锋芒，将来超过PP也不好说。现在Richemont Vendom和Swatch Group都在倾力打造属于自己的顶级品牌，他们的实力相当雄厚，而Lange正是Richemont Vendom祭起的一把利剑。其他如AP、VC本来不比PP差到哪里，BG、JB、GO、IWC、GP在技术上也都具有相当实力，PP的压力会越来越大。就目前来看，PP中低端产品太多太滥，说好听了是为了占领市场，说得不好听是为了捞钱，它说明PP的经营理念存在问题。一个顶级的奢侈品牌，一定要走高档路线，保持自己产品的稀有性，如果依靠量产来挣钱，无异于杀鸡取卵，最终会害了自己。说来让人不敢相信，PP中低端产品数量那么大，就是靠那几个机芯，把215、315、240不停地改来改去，装进不同的表壳里去卖，搁在过去PP产品的尺寸小还好说，现在跟着潮流做大表了，还在用这些小机芯，太不厚道。

[ 本帖最后由 ymx 于 2007-4-14 03:07 编辑 ]

不厚道的太多了.
1) IWC就是一个顶级大不厚道;
2) UN, 高端不错, 低端大量ETA装在各种表壳里贵卖.

论经营理念，劳力士和百打菲丽是最成功的。

绝对的产量多少并不是起决定作用的，关键的是要看市场的认同和需求！何况PP2-3万的年产（包括电子表），也不算多。

在顶级的奢侈品领域，怕的就是太革新，PP深知此道，Rolex也是，所以它们的基础芯向来少变，而又很受市场认同。同时也保证了二手表的稳定行情。

要讲厚道，不厚道的真是太多了。。。呵呵！

制表固然是艺术. 但卖表从来就是铜臭气最重的商业之一.
艺术还要服从于金钱.
GP的三金桥本来是看家本领, 现在为了赚钱, 已经成为MACALUSO的狗皮膏药.

小马拉大车的确有问题，相当一部分人选表时会考虑机芯尺寸的大小，更何况对价位如此之高的第一品牌！
不管别人厚道不厚道，PP都应该从长远考虑。它已受到LANGE的挑战，处境不同于ROLEX。ROLEX经营理念正确，大众名牌倒不了。

[ 本帖最后由 ymx 于 2007-4-15 05:41 编辑 ]